This thing about T16........?

[Alan the Vanner]

I have read into this whole thing about doing Rover T16 engine conversions, so in case I cannot pull off my V6 plan, how easy would it be to put in a 16-valver instead?:confused:

[TurboMG]

Why bother, the whole thing is massively overhyped, drop an 8v turbo in.

[MGTurbo]

Originally posted by TurboMG
Why bother, the whole thing is massively overhyped, drop an 8v turbo in.

Couldnt agree more mate, the problem you'll have is getting hold of a O series Turbo but they are about.

Has to be said, i'm always seen as being pro 8 valve but there's a reason for that, it's more fun, easier and cheaper to tune than the T Series, not as heavy and more reliable.

If you were to uprate the T16 to make it stronger your looking in excess of £1000 for pistons and rods, then your still stuck with a small turbo incapable of blowing anything but hot air above 12psi, your then looking at £2000+ for the uprated internals and a hybrid turbo, plus a front mount intercooler = £200-400, where as spend £6-800 quid on the 8 valve and you'll have a easy 230-240bhp on a good, efficent set up.

But if you fancy 200PS (197bhp) the standard T series does this, smoothly and reliably, and for this purpose, it's better than an O series in standard tune. Sadly 197bhp isnt enough for me :cool:

Gareth

[talkingcars]

Which V6 are you considering?

I was quoted £5000 to have a Rover 6KV lump fitted to my EFi Maestro, apparently the engine is expensive to buy and needs a stand alone managment system.

I don't know if any one has done this conversion into a maestro or montego.

Which engine have you got in the van at the moment?

James

P.S. I thought the T16 only weighs 8kg more than the O turbo engine.

[Alan the Vanner]

I have none in there at the moment, blank canvas you could say. It was just that I once saw a rover 827 in a salvage yard and decided to measure the dimensions, you know, just to see if it would fit. I had the original 1.6 S series in there that I then fitted twin weber carbs to. But I wanted to fit something a bit more substantial.
An ex-colleage of mine had this Reliant Scimitar, and told me about people who fitted Chevy V8's to them, and he thought about fitting a Jaguar V12 to his. Just to be different! I'm just thinking along those lines, that's all.:cool:

[talkingcars]

I was asking about engine as I was wondering if you would need fuel tanks and or lines or just to clean them, smokers have out and return twin fuel pipes where as the 1300 only had one feul line.

Rover used 2.5 and 2.7 Honda V6 engines before the 2.7 6KV which is a development of the 'K' as used in most of their cars.

James

[MGTurbo]

Originally posted by talkingcars



P.S. I thought the T16 only weighs 8kg more than the O turbo engine.

So which weighs more then, a T16 or an O8? :rolleyes:

[talkingcars]

Err if the T16 weighs only 8kg more than the "O" I guess it is the T16 that is heavier?;)

[MGTurbo]

Congratulations, you win todays special prize! http://jammerbabe.com/images/Smiley/clap.gif :p

[TurboMG]

2.7 6KV.................Im assuming you mean rovers 2.5 KV6.

[talkingcars]

Possibly, I thought it was a 2.7 but a quick check proves me wrong.

James

[Alan the Vanner]

I'm confused again. (Must be lack of sleep):rolleyes:
Perhaps the later model Honda Legends could do? 3.2, 3.5, sod it! Anyone know where I can get a Jag V12?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[tony]

with nos of course:laugh:

[talkingcars]

just put NOS on the 2.5 V6 rover engine, map it and run up to 8000 rpm.

[Simon]

There's a new T16 engine on ebay currently, but you'd need all ancilliaries incl turbocharger, quite tempted myself in fact...
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2457493675&category=10414

[Dave]

Rover originally used a 2.5l V6 engine from Honda - it was fitted to both the Honda Legend and the Rover 825, this engine has a terrible torque curve, rendering it near on un-drivable. So, It was bored out to 2.7l and the intake was modified - it is tuned like a pipe organ would be, infact, the engineer that developed the system was also a pipe organ player! This is the Honda PGM-Fi and is the most highly regarded V6 fitted by rover.

After this, Rover started to fit the 2.5l KV-6, which is prone to gasket failures and generally not as well regarded.

Dave.

[MGTurbo]

Originally posted by Dave

After this, Rover started to fit the 2.5l KV-6, which is prone to gasket failures and generally not as well regarded.

Dave.

The KV6 has head gasket issues when fitted to the 800 from 1996 model year, many car's were called back to resolve the issue and most have now been upgraded. HG failure was not an issue from approx 1999 when the Rover 75 came out, in fact its been a very reliable unit, but not as highly regarded within R800 circles as a worthy successor to the Honda lump. The R800 was simply used as a test bed for the KV6 before it was fitted to the R75.

As for James point's about fitting a KV6, having it re-mapped, NOS fitted and revved to 8000rpm, i thought the idea about most things Maestro and Montego was doing it to a budget? £5k to have the unit fitted is just horrendous, they also don't need a stand alone engine management, this is simply the choice of the individual or tuner.

Honda V6 lumps are readily available and for its power output is very strong and exceptionally reliable, this would be the route i would take if done to a budget.

I will add that in the past 6 years, i have sold over 50 Rover 800's with all engine type's, it was the V6 that gives the least trouble and really suits the 800 perfectly, and can even return over 30mpg on a run, so finding a donor wouldnt be too hard.

Gareth

[Alan the Vanner]

I'm glad I posted this thread now. I have really learned a lot about all the different motors. Knowledge really is power.
I reckon a V6 would also be good with a meaty exhaust fitted. Two Cherrybombs?:rolleyes: It would make a change from all these trendies going round with big-bore back boxes that sound like a fart in a tin kettle!:laugh:

[E_T_V]

definatly twin pipes with maybe only one scilencer box each?

Mmmmmm nice.

[Alan the Vanner]

Yeah, a silencer box each. Exactly what I was thinking.
Like Baldrick's poem in that episode of Blackadder goes forth:
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM, BOOM BOOM BOOM, etc.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Landcrab1800]

If your going to do it fit a V8 from a Jenson Interceptor, they are only 5.8, 6.75 or 7.2 litres with upto 400 bhp.

Sounds about right to me:D

[speedy1]

My advice is to leave the KV6 engine well alone, they suffer from head gasket failures & blow up. There are 927 members on the rover 800 group & 90% of them will tell you the same.
If you go the V6 route use the 2.7 24 valve unit from the 827, it's much more reliable & there are enough rotten 827s in the breakers.

As for the T series turbo, if you're serious about it then e-mail me direct & i may be able to help you.

nitelifedk@btinternet.com

:cool:

[onza100]

I also am looking towards an engine swap and after a talk with gareth have decided on the t16 route, mainly due to the lack of cheap eight valvers. There are lots of cars with the t16 in but im wondering which would best suit the maestro? Don't you have to cut the car up for some of them?
Thanks
Paul

[talkingcars]

I thought all T16's were the same, you have to cut a bit of the cross member to make the exhuast fit on all of them but nothing dramatic.

James

[MGTurbo]

Originally posted by talkingcars
I thought all T16's were the same, you have to cut a bit of the cross member to make the exhuast fit on all of them but nothing dramatic.

James

There's someone who hasnt fitted a T16 before ;)

The front crossmember has to be cut to clear the power steering pump.

As for which T16 would best suit your needs, if you intend to keep it at standard boost (11.5psi for 200PS version) then any will do.

Gareth

[talkingcars]

So if I am not fitting power steering (don't have it, don't want it) there is no cutting of cross members?

James (alternative power plant swap virgin)

[J199 HHG]

If you want to fit a V8, a rover one fits into a mini:

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~graham/v8_mini.htm

So I am sure it will fit into a maestro.

Don't fit a chevy V8 a-la Jensen, it weights so much you'll never corner again!!!

[Quality]

Originally posted by J199 HHG
If you want to fit a V8, a rover one fits into a mini:

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~graham/v8_mini.htm

So I am sure it will fit into a maestro.

Don't fit a chevy V8 a-la Jensen, it weights so much you'll never corner again!!!

Now a Rover V8 would look nice in my Allegro's engine bay [:O]

[TurboMG]

All T16 engine cars have power steering, the power steering pump is part of the water pump housing so the cross member has to be cut.