4 way elec window question...

[Mariocart]

Hi all,

Is there anyone on here who has the earlier type 4 way electric window setup on their Montego?, if so, I would be much obliged if someone could give me the pin layout and colour coding for the smaller of the two wiring plugs on the rear of the DIN fitting switch box as I am finalising (sort of anyway) the fitment of leccy windows into the rear of my Maestro VDP, but lack decent wiring diagrams, and the Haynes manual sometimes very useful though it is, is about as useful as an asbestos candle for information on this topic.

Many thanks,

Chris

[Simon]

I'll have a look for you tomorrow and report back on the pin layout. I've done it on my Maestro myself using Montego parts. I can send you a wiring diagram if you need it. It's more long winded than complex, although I elected to remove the dash and unpeel the loom tape to fit the additional wiring neatly following the same route as the Montego installation. I got my wiring from a scrapped Montego Mayfair incidentally. Montego's with elec rear windows are very rare as they were only fitted on MG Turbo's or VDP's, but the Mayfair had all the wiring as standard. No Maestro was ever fitted with elec rear windows, even though the fuse box shows a position for the fuse, this position is a blank, so the fuse box needs to be modified to lay one on. This is quite easy though.

[F690OTF(RIP)]

Ah. It's interesting to hear you talking of adding a fuse to the fusebox. I was trying to do this on our Maestro at Christmas, for the purposes of adding a second cigarette lighter socket. Since we don't have anything that takes anywhere near the 10A rating on the fuse for the existing one, not even for two things operated together, I ended up connecting the second socket in parallel with the existing one. It works fine, but I'd still rather have them on separate fuses. I couldn't work out how you put terminals in the spare slots in the fuse box. I'm intrigued to hear (see) you say that it's quite easy. Please, do elaborate.

Having said that it works fine, certain items do seem to wear the fuse out so that it blows when the item is plugged in when the key is turned from time to time. It didn't do this on the old car. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Peter

[Mariocart]

Hi Simon,

Thanks for your reply, would be most appreciative if you could send me the wiring diagram and pinout on, gotta be worth the trouble to have rear elec windows! The dash will be coming out anyway as the wiring will need modifying for the (fingers crossed) planned T16 Turbo conversion, so that's no problem, it's always worth doing a job properly that's for sure!

As you said, only the VDP's and Turbos had this equipment, and it is now very rare indeed, I am lucky to have the rear switch plates and Montego VDP door cards too!

Chris

[Simon]

You don't need the rear door trims off the Montego as such but you do need to slightly increase the size of the rear door handle/switch aperture to the same size as the Montego VDP's one. Also you'll need to trim off the rear ashtray where it protrudes into the door innards, because the electric regulator will block the opening. The VDP door trim is slightly wider to accomodate the ashtray's swivelling movement, but I elected to retain my Maestro door trim and cut down the ashtray, supergluing the front shut permanently.
You'll need the two bent metal brackets on the Montego that the switch plates hook onto, these are pop rivetted and can be easily removed with a cordless or hand drill. The correct diameter locating holes are present in the Maestro inner door shell, funnily enough!
To add extra fuse positions to the fusebox you really need to go to the scrapyard and practice first. Undo the fusebox securing screws and ease the fusebox forward. Unclip and slide out the 3 red plastic terminal locking bars. Remove all the fuses and pull on a wire with pliers either side of the fuse. This will pull the metal terminals free complete with wires, tyhat hold the fuse blade terminals in place. Cut through the wires and trim the wire up to the terminal. Reuse the terminals to solder onto your unfused and fused supply leads and then fit these terminals to your own fusebox in the desired location by basically repeating the process described above. By buying new terminal pins you can also re-use the multi-connectors by sliding out the locating bars and pushing in the locating barbs. Makes the job look much more professional, but always solder joints, don't crimp them.

Mariocart: I'll email you a scan of my wiring diagram right now. I'd love to do a T16 conversion one day. What a superb vehicle these T16 Maestro's make!


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[Bonehead]

Excuse my ignorance simon

You say you can use the door trims from a montego in a meastro, does this mean the doors from a montego would fit a meastro??

I recently inhereted my Dads Diesel maestro after he died and I haven't got the heart to get rid of it and so it will be my car for the next however many years.

I am trying to get a pwer steering rack for it and new doors and a tail gate. The thought of electric windows sounds pretty good too.

The reason I ask about the montego parts is that there is an aution close to me on every tuesday and thursday and they sell montegos every week or so it seems and they normally go for peanuts.

If I could swap parts over I might buy one just for the bits.

Thanks for any info

Nath

[Simon]

This point needs clarification.

1)The Montego door trims will fit onto a Maestro, but because the Montego has a heavy black plastic moulding at window sill height, if Montego door trims are used, you will see the inner felt seal because Montego door trims are effectively taller.

2) You could fit the heavy door trims to the top of the door skin on both front and back doors from a Montego. A Montego front door would fit a Maestro, a Montego rear door won't fit a Maestro.

3) The best way of tackling the problem of the rear door ashtray is to trim it off at the back where it's a semi circle and superglue it shut permanently. As I said before, the Montego VDP's door trim is wider so that the ashtray can swing within it without needing to go into the rear door aperture. Later models have it repositioned. If later (post 1993; Montego style interior) Maestro rear doors have repositioned spaces for the ashtray then you're in business!

[Bonehead]

There is a white Montego 2.0i petrol countryman down the auction tonight with no tax or mot and a sold as seen sticker plastered all over the windscreen. It should go for peanuts (they normally do).

It has power steering, remote central locking, electric front windows and an electric sunroof. It also has nice wood venner tops on the door panel.

I read somewhere that the door panels (Front and back) of a montego would fit a maestro. Is this true and what other bits would I be able to scroung off of it to put on my maestro.

Thanks for any help

Nath

[K260EWF]

As Simon says (pardon the pun) the door top trims will fit the maestro but they do show up above the outer felt on the doors and can become lose at the top of the door and wobble. The way of getting over this is to pop rivet a piece of metal to effectively extend the top of the door. I have added the montego door top to my car and the fronts are fine but the rear ones can flop around a bit so I need to add the extended metal pieces to the tops of the door. This was done to hide my tweeters behind but I wanted the rear doors to match the fronts.