A series starter motor

[Quality]

Disconected the cable from the solinoid, but the 2 bolts to the engine are stuck solid, so have you any tips for ****ing them?

[Quality]

shifting, thats what i thought i'd put :confused:

[tony]

do u meen the starter motor?

[D87 SMW]

Try WD40. ;)

[D87 SMW]

Originally posted by Quality
shifting, thats what i thought i'd put :confused:

...must have missed the "f," mate! :laugh:

[derek mclean]

Do you mean you can't slacken them, or that you can't get them out of the holes?
The bolt heads are usually cheese headed, with an 8mm Allen type recess. These can be a menace to get hold of, after they have got years of muck and rust inside them. But you should be able to slacken the nuts on the other end, to the left of the bell-housing adapter plate. They don't usually cause any problems. a 17mm spanner or socket should get a good grip of the nuts.
If you are struggling to remove the bolts once the nuts are off the only way is probably a combination of hammering, turning, lubricating, heating, swearing, hacksawing, not necessarily in that order.

Derek.

[Quality]

Have finally managed to remove starter motor (with aid of one yard breaking bar!) and replace with brand new one. When all was reconnected we turned on the ignition and it just whirred. We removed it and tried again but it went back to doing what it had done to start with, i.e. going 'clunk'. Grrrrr. Any ideas? Have checked solenoid, it sparks when poles are connected, and battery is brand new (although we are getting it checked).:banghead: :rage: :banghead: :rage: :banghead: :rage:

[G Force]

hi, remove the starter motor once again, leave the wires connected and earth the motor to say the gearbox check that the starter motor pinnion moves forward as the motor spins when you turn the ignition key to start. If it does the motor is probably ok. Examine the fly wheel ring gear through the starter motor hole check for major damage to the teeth by turning engine by hand (ignition off) if they are realy worn that is likely to be your problem.

cheers gary :)

[Quality]

Thanks G Force, just a few more questions...

1. This is the first time I've tried to do something like this - can you tell me how I earth something?:confused:

2. How do I turn the engine by hand?

3. I was under the vague immpression that when I refitted the starter motor the second time and it went 'clunk' rather than 'whir', that meant it wasn't spinning at all. Is this likely to be the case, and if so is there any point in me taking it out so as to see if it's moving??

Thanks again:)

[marlin]

if it is any of the major problems reported I have a brand starter motor, clutch housing, clutch and associated ring gear, which I am sure I can let you have for a fraction of the cost from the suppliers.

[G Force]

1. This is the first time I've tried to do something like this - can you tell me how I earth something?:confused:

Just ensure the body of the starter motor is firmly held in contact with the gearbox, or connect one end of a single jump lead to the body of the starter motor and the other to battery negative terminal

2. How do I turn the engine by hand?

With a suitable socket and bar on the front pully bolt, or jack up one front wheel put car in top gear and rotate the wheel which is off the ground. If the engine does'nt turn perhaps the engine is seised up.

3. I was under the vague immpression that when I refitted the starter motor the second time and it went 'clunk' rather than 'whir', that meant it wasn't spinning at all. Is this likely to be the case, and if so is there any point in me taking it out so as to see if it's moving??

Yes that is the case, but if the ring gear is badly worn the pinnion could get jammed against the damaged teeth

hth gary

[Quality]

Originally posted by marlin
if it is any of the major problems reported I have a brand starter motor, clutch housing, clutch and associated ring gear, which I am sure I can let you have for a fraction of the cost from the suppliers.

Thanks Marlin, have already bought new starter motor from my local parts shop for 30 quid ish :( , but if we turn out to need any other bits i'll let you know, that would be great :)

[Quality]

Originally posted by G Force
1. This is the first time I've tried to do something like this - can you tell me how I earth something?:confused:

Just ensure the body of the starter motor is firmly held in contact with the gearbox, or connect one end of a single jump lead to the body of the starter motor and the other to battery negative terminal

2. How do I turn the engine by hand?

With a suitable socket and bar on the front pully bolt, or jack up one front wheel put car in top gear and rotate the wheel which is off the ground. If the engine does'nt turn perhaps the engine is seised up.

3. I was under the vague immpression that when I refitted the starter motor the second time and it went 'clunk' rather than 'whir', that meant it wasn't spinning at all. Is this likely to be the case, and if so is there any point in me taking it out so as to see if it's moving??

Yes that is the case, but if the ring gear is badly worn the pinnion could get jammed against the damaged teeth

hth gary

Thanks Gary, I'll try all these points at the weekend :)

[H48HPE]

id suspect the battery, id been messing about with my car all day and the interior lights were on, this dragged the battery right down, when i tried to start it all i got was a clunk which was the seloniod opperating but there wasnt enough juice to turn the engine (i didnt suspect the battery for a second at first) id put a voltmeter on it and it seemed ok but its deceptive, best test is to hold main beam on for about a minute, if lights go dim its flat, id try and get it going off a jump start?

andy

[Quality]

I feel it shouldn't be the battery, because (a) it's only two weeks old and (b) we tried to jump-start it to no avail, but our friendly motor spares shop owner has offered to test both it and the starter motor for us during the week, so that should tell us. It's certainly true that the car wasn't used much in the period before the 'clunk', although it did 172 miles the week before that after standing idle with its previous owners for several months.

[Wonko_The_Sane]

I envy you with £30 starter motors..it cost me at least £70-80 for one in my auto maestro. I've now had 3-one failed on the one way clutch (unbelievable noise), 1 failed a year later because I fitted it on the :censored: , and the third one is happy..:)