E958 ARR - TONF [Archive] - Maestro & Montego Owners Club

B18 GPC

13th December 2006, 20:26

Turning over not firing for the not so mechanically minded of you..

TONF is a problem Ella {E958 ARR} is suffering.

Shes turning over , sparking , fueling correctly.. but no starting..

I started her sunday , she run lovely on the driveway , just ticking over while i did "other" work on her..

Monday night , in from work i thaught id run her up . Non Start.

Tuesday Morning before work , Non Start , Tried until battery flat.

Wednesday Morning , Tried.
Wednesday night , DizziCap off , plugs checked , leads checked {Ohms Test} , Everything is "fine" . Ive checked my dash pot oil level. Only thing left to check is weather the dash pot is "stuck" ? {Dad says?} .. Anyother suggestions ?

TIA

Graham .

G Force

14th December 2006, 12:43

Hi, my guess is the plugs have got fouled by running on tick over for an abnormally long period, which is either the direct cause of no start or it is exposing some weakness in the other ignition components such as leads. (Checking the resistance of the leads is not a definitive way of checking whether a lead is faulty, as it does not show the integrity of the insulation)

What other work were you doing to the car on the Sunday?

G51 NAV

14th December 2006, 16:05

What other work were you doing to the car on the Sunday?
Probably adding even more chavvy add-ons to those he's already fitted. Go on: ask him what he's already done.

B18 GPC

14th December 2006, 20:46

Removing many of the "live" wires from the battery.. for my chav addons , and putting them through one large switch.. less wiring mess.

The plugs were also new less than .. 2 Miles Ago ;) {But Ran Fine after changing , Even with engine bay pressure-washed at the same time}... And started fine since.

it was more of a over night problem

G Force

14th December 2006, 21:11

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it was more of a over night problem

So it runs now?

If not I would clean plugs and make sure all the ignition componants are fully dry, inside cap etc, sounds like you have poor insulation on the leads which will show its self again through the winter weather.

B18 GPC

17th December 2006, 11:11

She now runs...

What i ment by over night , was that it ran fine sunday , come last monday morning , she didnt want to know..

Just put some plugs in "under warranty" from work.. turned over twice in its flat battery state.. and started .

So , plugs it was... Only changed 2 miles ago ;)

Thanks Guys.

tony

17th December 2006, 11:28

Hi, my guess is the plugs have got fouled by running on tick over for an abnormally long period,

i think that covers it

G51 NAV

17th December 2006, 18:43

Agreed: I wouldn't bin them yet, give them a bit of a scrub-up on a wire brush and I bet they work fine. Better still, do what my dad used to do and hold them over a hot gas flame on your cooker for a bit.

Andy

18th December 2006, 16:35

Probably adding even more chavvy add-ons to those he's already fitted. Go on: ask him what he's already done.

What have you done?

B18 GPC

18th December 2006, 20:56

What have you done?

CB + Ariel..

Cd Player above the origional Radio..

Added Rear kenwood Speakers, Boot wharfdale speakers.. , Changed the fronts To JVC..

And Front Fog Lights? Not Chav By far.. :confused:

sorry , and the underglow remote control foot well blue interior light {standard one has faulty door switch }

however , nothing that cant be romoved without makeing a mess?

B18 GPC

18th December 2006, 20:59

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B18 GPC

18th December 2006, 21:10

For the record.. both front doors read ELLA in small reg plate size writing ...

Austin-Rover

18th December 2006, 21:30

Chavtastic!

ChrisM

18th December 2006, 22:08

Poor car :(

H48HPE

18th December 2006, 22:36

We all knew this was going to happen.....

this was one of those cars that could have definitely lasted for a long time with some proper care, I admit the modifications so far aren't too bad, but it's only a matter of time. I would have thought an old saxo, 106 or corsa might have been more appropriate though :confused: didnt really think Maestro's were proper chav material

G51 NAV

19th December 2006, 08:59

The Prosecution rests its case, your honour. No further questions.

sorry , and the underglow remote control foot well blue interior light {standard one has faulty door switch }

Barney had a faulty interior light switch on the o/s/f door as well, so I took it off and repaired it. That's the proper way to look after a car, not chav it up with interior neons, and drilling holes all over the previously-untouched interior to fit your chavtastic accessories.

EDIT: Btw, where's the CB aerial? (and who tf has a CB these days...)

Andy

19th December 2006, 16:22

I was looking forward to congratulating you on some decent modifications as you have had a lot of stick in the recent years but unfortunately you have made a mess again. I can’t be bother to explain how bewildered I am of the CB radio but what I am wondering about is that ‘house’ speaker in the boot. I can understand subs been put in the boot as bass can be placed anywhere without affecting the sound but that looks like a few mids and tweeters pointing as far away and covered from the drivers ears as possible, not to mention how are you running 5 speakers of a head unit and most house speakers I know of are between 6-18 ohms car speakers are normally 4 ohms and under? It will sound cack.

B18 GPC

19th December 2006, 18:54

I happen particuly not to care on opinions , anyone....

speakers are sound. they sound good all together.

if you dont see Cbs about then :confused: , i see many down here.

Nothing is particuly chav , except the Neon in the NSF foot well .

Its a car that could have its bits removed.. and not know ? theres.. 4 non visable holes in the interior ?

2 for CB mounting , and 2 for isolator switch mountings.

Cb ariel is on the roof.

H48HPE

19th December 2006, 21:44

I cant understand why you want to do this sort of stuff to a Maestro, surely when you take it to a cruise all the chavs will rip the **** out of it....

Serious question: Why don't you get a 306 or something a bit more suitable for chaving up?

CB radios looks like your some kid trying to pretend you've got a police car, but then what would i know, I've never chavved a car in my life.....

As Andy says, the speaker set up in the back seems pointless, I just think people that have their tunes on so loud you can hear them a mile alay look stupid.... just my opinion

oseerees

19th December 2006, 23:05

Leave him alone! Modding is therapeutic - doing it to a Maesty even more so.

First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then came the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me.

Ugh?
But I was not a Jew, so I did 'little'.
That means you did 'something' - what did you do?

mgdavid

20th December 2006, 00:59

Hi, my guess is the plugs have got fouled by running on tick over for an abnormally long period,

with all that stuff in his sig one rather thought he would have known this :giveup:

B18 GPC

20th December 2006, 21:05

with all that stuff in his sig one rather thought he would have known this :giveup:

when you chnage the plugs two weeks ago , you dont expect to change them so soon ???

also , when your working on diagnostic scanners and commercial fitting , you dont get time to play carbs and spark plugs , thanks

B18 GPC

20th December 2006, 21:07

H48HPE

20th December 2006, 21:56

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

anyway that aside, I witnessed the last 2 maestros butchered..... Chavs and meastros justy seem totally seperate. want to see a car that even a chav would appreciate check out someone like GK's or victors cars, proper restorations and sensible modifications to make a decent fast motor, not some stupid pile of crap. want an argument? bring it on!

H48HPE

20th December 2006, 21:58

N.A.F.F I.M.I.......... dont know what it stands for, but it sounds like something you could get with two tokens from the back of walkers crisps lmao!

D87 SMW

20th December 2006, 23:36

I agree with Andy.

Graham, I thought you were working in a garage? Surely on that basis you have the knowledge of what could/should be fitted to a car?

Fair enough, you want a decent sound system in the car - so do I. Thing is, there's equipment specific to cars to be fitted in cars. There's so much choice these days and you can achieve great sound quality - hell, do it properly and it will be 'cool.'

As a teenager, I don't really see a set of house speakers in a car as being cool. I don't see the loudest sound possible as being cool - I see the best quality as being cool. I agree with previous comments in that those house speakers will sound dire in there - what's the point??

I think Chris summarised it perfectly in two words: Poor car. The P/O has obviously looked after it for the past twenty years - it deserves better, IMO.

BTW: What's this 'commercial fitting' you do? :worried:

Roperman

21st December 2006, 01:35

I feel sick. Why oh why didn't you keep that Clio? Or KKW if you wanted a Maestro? I mean I'm not against modding cars, but I wouldn't touch a mint low mile City X when there are so many Maestro's in average condition that aren't that rare. I've got an accident damaged Metro, and an already modded Mini van to keep me going.
Still, its just about savable, ditch the neon and the cheap fogs, and ask yourself if you need a CB. I've got one in my van but don't use it. I don't see the point unless its for professional use.

If you want any respect with a modded car, you picked the wrong one to start. You could get it in an MG, but simply ruining a 1.3 won't. Get a Peugeot 106 or something. Seriously.

Oh and about the speakers in the boot, frequencies above 250Hz won't get through the rear seat without being severely muffled, whereas those speakers will be full rangers (it would be like putting your speakers in the cupboard or a different room). I doubt their bass reproduction would be strong enough to make any positive impact. You'd be a lot better off leaving them on the back seat or parcel shelf, so at least they are doing something productive. I bet their impedance is too high though, probably at least 8 ohms. I've never seen a car stereo designed for anything above 4.

when you chnage the plugs two weeks ago , you dont expect to change them so soon ???

also , when your working on diagnostic scanners and commercial fitting , you dont get time to play carbs and spark plugs , thanks
They let you touch other peoples cars, and yet you didn't know that excessive idling causes plug fouling? Its a combination of the plugs running cold and fuel not being burnt fully, FYI;).

No point repeating the same comments over and over again though, *** they're all on these:
Meet Ella. (http://www.maestro.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=5478)
MAESTRO 1300 SPECIAL , 128/129000 MILES (http://www.maestro.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=4039)
F915-NWC 1300 Maestro Special Seeking... (http://www.maestro.org.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1925)

//rant over

Sorry, didn't mean to sound nasty or anything, but I think it needed saying. Prove me wrong mate.

G51 NAV

21st December 2006, 11:29

I feel sad that such a mint car was bought by the wrong person who appears to have too much money to throw around and doesn't respect the uniqueness of what he's bought.

This car should have been ready to be paraded round classic car shows as virtually the second 'timewarp' Maestro. It even had its original sales invoice with it. Instead I have visions of it being paraded round the local chavfest to be laughed at by other local lads who frankly wouldn't be seen dead in it. Poor car. :giveup:

And before someone says "stop moaning it's the lad's car if you don't like what he's doing to it why didn't you buy it instead", there are limits to how far my space and budget will stretch: I can't conceivably rescue every whipped puppy either, but it doesn't stop me being horrified by ongoing abuse.

H48HPE

21st December 2006, 12:04

to sumarise, I see too possible endings for this car:

option A: the car gets sold to an enthusiast who will care for it for many years.
option B: it will be chavved, abused and then crushed like the last ones.

In all honesty it looks like despite the best efforts of the enthusiasts on this forum the car will result in option B. With this in mind i think I'd rather see it crushed now than have to witnes it being ruined then crushed.

Do the right thing and find someone looking for a car to preserve for shows etc and sell it to them.....

G51 NAV

21st December 2006, 16:04

Sadly there is no more room nor spare dosh at Hotel de Orrell otherwise I would probably put my money where my mouth is and make the lad an offer for the car before it is irrevocably trashed. He could then put the same funds towards buying a car much more suited to his mods and interests.

Oh and you could keep your lousy CB too (hole in the roof for the aerial no doubt :rolleyes: ) Up Norf we passed out of that phase about 1983 :laugh:

B18 GPC

23rd December 2006, 21:03

BTW: What's this 'commercial fitting' you do? :worried:

I work on the largest tonne ramp at work - 4tonne . . .so i get the short straw on commercial fitting - tyres , exhausts , suspension fitments and tracking on anything up to four tonne... just as it says , commercial fitting.

and the other thing about knowing what plugs in to what - im not an electricial technician at work, there fore i have no need to know whats going to blow what up , . . its only a car ?

Il shows yous lot.

B18 GPC

23rd December 2006, 21:05

Sorry, didn't mean to sound nasty or anything, but I think it needed saying. Prove me wrong mate.

il shows people.

and erm.. the idel thing.. it wasnt running for that long.. not any longer then youd sit on the A14 arround here.. and youd never think; "oh bottoms ive been here for 15 mins now , quick pull over and change the plugs.. " would you ?!

B18 GPC

23rd December 2006, 21:14

N.A.F.F I.M.I.......... dont know what it stands for, but it sounds like something you could get with two tokens from the back of walkers crisps lmao!

Actually AFF IMI .

Watch This Space.

H48HPE

23rd December 2006, 21:15

and the other thing about knowing what plugs in to what - im not an electricial technician at work, there fore i have no need to know whats going to blow what up , . . its only a car ?

Your dead right, the trouble is people think of a mechanic as one of the old school blokes that could take on any car work, including engines or electrical and actually know what they were doing. What people forget is that these days people are trained to be fitters, ie they can look up in a book what spark plug they need to fit and then fit it. they have no idea about the principals behind what they're doing, as is the case with Graham.

if your plugs are covered in soot after 15mins idling then maybe you've got the carb set up totally wrong....however considering you are a mechanic I would think this highly unlikely.

H48HPE

23rd December 2006, 21:25

AFFILIATE (AffIMI)
You can become an Affiliate of the IMI and still receive many of the benefits of membership, even if you do not yet qualify for a membership grade (e.g. IMI Student). (£39.60 annual fee)

yeah, as I thought..........2 tokens from a bag of salt and vinegar crisps and a cheque for £36.60

it only means something when your a full member and have proved your Worthiness for the title. would have more respect if you got MIMI Eng Tech, but lets face it that appears to be a long way off

tony

23rd December 2006, 21:58

H48hpe says
I would have thought an old saxo, 106 or corsa might have been more appropriate though

Tony says, you tend not to get them for maestro type money.

E958arr says

CB + Ariel..

Cd Player above the original Radio..

Added Rear Kenwood Speakers, Boot wharfdale speakers. , Changed the fronts To JVC.

And Front Fog Lights? Not Chav By far..

sorry, and the underglow remote control foot well blue interior light {standard one has faulty door switch }

then went on to say

also , when your working on diagnostic scanners and commercial fitting , you don’t get time to play

One thing you have added that I agree with is the fire extinguisher (hope that’s the correct spelling)

How many miles have you driven this car since you got it?
And what have you done to her to keep her from the scrappy?

B18 GPC

24th December 2006, 09:41

Hoping ive managed to turn that leaf over..

and also , H48 your point is in fact correct. im on a two year college coarse , that infact does entitle me to basicially be a level 2 NVQ qualified fitter .. i have to fund {or my employee} has to fund my third year , to become an NVQ level three "technician" . its rediculious.

the tutor "cant be bothered" to explain rotary engines to us , "as no one understands them"!

ive learnt more from my work make rebuilding his engine {experienced technician} than i have from college :mad:

anyway , that leaf...

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B18 GPC

24th December 2006, 09:46

Other questions and stuff i can remember was said...

About 235 miles in her i think , that includes the 100 miles from derby to home .. . .

and the carb could be set up incorrect , my dad wont adjust it until "im using it" as its behavior will be unpredictable..

and all the letters dont mean anything no .. .

my dads do , but hes got the brains to go with it..

CAE ENG TECH AMIMI or something :S

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the cb is still in there , as i talk to people on it ,

the isolator swich is still there , as its a cut off to the tacho and Cb power supply.

The tints , rear speakers and neon have been removed ....

the cb ariel is in the boot so it cant be seen..

im just debaiting wether or not to put the Origional radio in back under the CD player , is it looks better then all the wiring behind it.

G

H48HPE

24th December 2006, 12:23

why dont you put the new radio where the original radio was, and then put the little tray back in the slot where the new radio is at the mement.

If you put some effort in then you could get similar qualifications to your dad, but obviously that takes some time and effort. It sounds like you are on the foundation modern apprenticeship framework, and the extra year will make it an advanced modern apprenticeship which is well worth doing. When i did my electrical apprenticeship i thought the college part was crap but it gets you the qualifications you need to get on... get the NVQ level 2 then 3 and then try and get onto a mechanical engineering BTEC national certificate or something like that, qualifications can open doors into new things that pay more money etc.....

B18 GPC

24th December 2006, 13:36

id love to be near as good as my dad indeed.

obviously its visable on here , my technical knoledge does suffer , and cant see the bonnet damage up here lol . but at work im on the ball most of the time . - general servicing , "fitting" etc. Obviously , im under watch so if im unsure i find my "man"

Apologies if ive been mouthy , again over various posts . sundays im happyest , no work to do :laugh:

Roperman

24th December 2006, 18:28

it wasnt running for that long.. not any longer then youd sit on the A14 arround here.. and youd never think; "oh bottoms ive been here for 15 mins now , quick pull over and change the plugs.. " would you ?!
That'll be why then. Lots of cold starts without getting your engine fully warmed up, especially without it being under load. I did the same when I got my Metro as a resto project, but didn't get it on the road for a year so just kept the battery charged by running it occasionally. Plugs didn't look too bad but ran fine after I swapped them. Swap or clean the plugs and I bet it runs. Mixture might be off but you wont know unless you're driving it anyway, and shouldn't be too far out if you could get it running before.

PS Sorry I was a bit moody before, had a long day.

B18 GPC

24th December 2006, 19:48

Yea i have long days too.. i dont like "getting it easy" but my hours have changed this year-

school last year , until june was up at 8 , school for 8.30, home by 345pm easy

now im up at 7 , at work for 8 , until 6 , six days a week , except sats , 8-4 . home by 7 . not as easy. not sleeping good too .. anyway . . .

Hopefuly 2007 is my time , to prove maestro isnt chav material , and pass my test booked for late jan . all good fun .

G51 NAV

24th December 2006, 20:19

I envy you doing a job you like, I'll give you that.

B18 GPC

25th December 2006, 11:38

I envy you doing a job you like, I'll give you that.

Im not sure what that envy word means.. i looked it up on the forums favourite , dictionary.com.. but im non the wiser..

but ill agree anyway - sure mate :) ? :confused: ;)

G51 NAV

25th December 2006, 14:06

you are joking, tell me you have not gone all the way through secondary education and not yet come across the word "envy", tell me you are having a joke right?

Andy

25th December 2006, 17:38

You putting a bike engine in?

Austin-Rover

25th December 2006, 18:21

you are joking, tell me you have not gone all the way through secondary education and not yet come across the word "envy", tell me you are having a joke right?

Poor John, you think kids come out of school with an edjookayshun these days?

:laugh:

G51 NAV

25th December 2006, 19:26

Not really, I've long since accepted educational standards have dropped, but surely the word "envy" is is a two-syllable word known by 8 year olds is it not? :confused:

Graham if you have a historical grammar and English problem then I'm sincerely sorry for having unintentionally highlighted it on this forum, but surely average 17 year olds know words like "envy"???

B18 GPC

26th December 2006, 11:51

B18 GPC

26th December 2006, 11:54

You putting a bike engine in?

Im sorry ? :confused: :laugh:

Andy

26th December 2006, 12:39

Im sorry ? :confused: :laugh:

I was just wondering why you had a rev counter that goes to 10,000RPM

B18 GPC

26th December 2006, 13:23

I was just wondering why you had a rev counter that goes to 10,000RPM

Oh right ! Sorry , lol .

Its just a rev counter , I looked arround a bit, but only found ones up to about 10000RPM for under about £40 ..

so it went on to do the same job.. im sure it wont go above about 4 though ..

G51 NAV

26th December 2006, 14:49

i asked "mummy" and she sed pretty much..

its that you hate your job , and you are jelous that i enjoy mine ?

{Mabey not jelous.. but that kind of thing..}

I passed English GCSE in bottom set with a "C" Grade though , .. . . .

it was on the "new micra" .. suppose i felt quite at home on the car theme and got on with it. .
That's it. I've made my mind up. I'm gonna pull my four year olds out of school and educate them myself. I suspect I can do a better job. No wonder they say the average 16 year old communicates with a vocabulary of just 20 words. Please don't take offence but in my day (which was only the mid 80s: same era that our cars were made) with your diction, vocabulary and gramatical ability, you would have been lucky to scrape an F at the old O-level English. I'm deeply sorry Graham: you are a poor victim of an education system that has failed you, and I apologise for having previously mocked you, because it's obviously not your fault.

D87 SMW

26th December 2006, 14:54

I was just wondering why you had a rev counter that goes to 10,000RPM

I didn't notice that...

*What the hell Graham? If you wanted a rev counter, the PROPER units are easily found and installed. There's even a choice between the yellow dials as per the current ones, MG dials with red and white dials as well as the MK3 dials!

Believe it or not they actually display the correct RPM range and don't sit outside the clocks blocking the view of the Temperature and Fuel gauges like that totally random, chavtastic piece of tat (and you actually paid £40 for that privilege?!)!

I despair...

* = I have no problem with Graham making modifications to the car - I am simply pointing out that there are genuine Austin-Rover parts out there which suit his needs and fit neatly (not out of place) in the car, not to mention at a MUCH lower cost.

B18 GPC

26th December 2006, 18:53

St , could you have got that text any smaller? lol . And you can actually see the guadges . . . or half of them anyway . When lites flash thats when there is a problemo . oh , and only £22.00 wiring included , ;)

G51 , the mocking thing - i get used to it , dont worry . I must agree... education isnt what it used to be..i found my dads old apprentaces work booklet type thing from college.. with facts on springs.. from when he worked in a pug dealership "back in the day" ...

weve fully covered springs etc now.. and we were never told that under full load leaf springs should go pretty much straight.. Never told this much ? :giveup:

There WAS light at the end of the tunnell.

D87 SMW

26th December 2006, 19:04

St , could you have got that text any smaller? lol . And you can actually see the guadges . . . or half of them anyway . When lites flash thats when there is a problemo . oh , and only £22.00 wiring included , ;)

Don't you think it's a bit of a silly thing to do, when there is already an existing piece of equipment fitted to Maestros which does this job as standard??

See below, the same unit as yours but with a tachometer (rev counter) neatly built in - not stupidly blocking the view of any of those VITAL instruments...

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Miracle maestro

26th December 2006, 19:05

Please don't take offence but in my day (which was only the mid 80s: same era that our cars were made) with your diction, vocabulary and gramatical ability, you would have been lucky to scrape an F at the old O-level English.

I agree John, but surely Graham would ahve been sitting the old 'CSE' (Certificate of Secondary education) English exam instead?
Off topic but relevant: At your School, did teachers of 'other' subjects mark work down because of bad grammar and poor spelling?

B18 GPC

26th December 2006, 19:08

I agree John, but surely Graham would have been sitting the old 'CSE' (Certificate of Secondary education) English exam instead?
Off topic but relevant: At your School, did teachers of 'other' subjects mark work down because of bad grammar and poor spelling?

If you mean I ... Then nope.. Longs as if THEIR subject was done , they were happy. .. . .

In generall , i wright in CAPS , Just the first letter of every word larger then the rest .

Also steve.. would it not also be silly to illegally adjust the readings on a speedo.. ;) - although i would do it .. if some one sed hand over a cheque here it is. to much hassle to sort one out.

G51 NAV

26th December 2006, 19:10

I agree John, but surely Graham would have been sitting the old 'CSE' (Certificate of Secondary education) English exam instead?
Off topic but relevant: At your School, did teachers of 'other' subjects mark work down because of bad grammar and poor spelling?
Possibly Darren...we had CSEs and O-Levels and grade 1 CSE was the equivalent of a Grade C O-level. GCSE grades A-C are (we are told) equivalent to O-Level grades A-C and GCSE grades D-G are equivalent to CSE grades 2-5

D87 SMW

26th December 2006, 19:10

Also steve.. would it not also be silly to illegally adjust the readings on a speedo.. ;)

Indeed it would. Why, who's done that?

B18 GPC

26th December 2006, 19:14

Indeed it would. Why, who's done that?

I would be .. if i got sent a clock with any reading other than 11152 on the clocks . why have a 11k car , with a 52k speedo ?

D87 SMW

26th December 2006, 19:17

I would be .. if i got sent a clock with any reading other than 11152 on the clocks . why have a 11k car , with a 52k speedo ?

Good Lord Graham! I thought you actually worked on cars!

It is perfectly acceptable (and simple enough) to change the mileage of replacement clocks back to the actual mileage of the car.

:rolleyes: :banghead:

B18 GPC

26th December 2006, 19:23

Good Lord Graham! I thought you actually worked on cars!

It is perfectly acceptable (and simple enough) to change the mileage of replacement clocks back to the actual mileage of the car.

:rolleyes: :banghead:

I do steve....

I thaught changing the clocks full stop was the law , obviously not then...

G51 NAV

26th December 2006, 19:34

Err they're hardly going to make changing the clocks in a car illegal cos it would be impossible to police! But it's bloody obvious if your car had 98,000 miles on its last MOT but this year had 65,000 that something is not as it should be.

Swapping the odo from one set of clocks to another is a fiddy job but not impossible, but I don't think you'd need to do it: you'd just need to swap over the additional instruments and the new instrument mask.

B18 GPC

26th December 2006, 19:42

Sort-ed init .

Im trying to load ebay to do some shopping.. but a "bit" slow at the moment

Miracle maestro

26th December 2006, 20:08

Possibly Darren...we had CSEs and O-Levels and grade 1 CSE was the equivalent of a Grade C O-level. GCSE grades A-C are (we are told) equivalent to O-Level grades A-C and GCSE grades D-G are equivalent to CSE grades 2-5

Exactly.
We both sat our exams in 1985.

Whatever we think of the present system, I do agree with 'one exam' sat by all.
I can well remember some people in my year who only took the harder 'O' level and failed!
Leaving them with nothing.

G51 NAV

26th December 2006, 20:27

Austin-Rover

26th December 2006, 21:00

You can change your odometer to whatever you want it to be. You can reset it to zero after every MOT should you wish...the only way you can break the law is to sell the car on and claim it to be the correct mileage. Should you mess with your car's odometer, you must declare the readings to be incorrect when you sell it.

B18 GPC

27th December 2006, 18:15

Thanks A-R..

Couldnt find anythign on ebay , but il keep an eye out for the dash panel

BikerGran

28th December 2006, 02:15

Wow! Some of you do enjoy putting the boot in, don't you!

And before someone says "stop moaning it's the lad's car if you don't like what he's doing to it why didn't you buy it instead", there are limits to how far my space and budget will stretch:

I wouldn't say that, for the reason stated - people are just not finding buyers for these cars - would you rather Graham scrapped it than had a bit of fun with it?

Are you really all so serious about owning these cars? I thought having a 'modern classic' was meant to be fun? OK, one persons fun isn't the same as anothers but I have to tell you it's not a sin to be different!

And as for jumping on Graham for what he doesn't know - I've said it before but I'll say it again, old Chinese proverb....

"He who asks a question is a fool for a minute; he who does not ask remains a fool all his life"

B18 GPC

31st December 2006, 10:52

Ta BG ..

Its ok , im quite used to getting mick taken.. another fact of life.

Soon , i wont have time to even think about modding the car , as will be getting out and about in it ;)

Miracle maestro

31st December 2006, 16:49

Did you guys not have "16 plus"? It was being used in my school for some subjects?

By failed do you mean they got "U" for unclassified or just grades lower than C? Even O-levels went all the way down to E grade (equivalent of CSE grade 3). If they got "U" then sad to say it's likely they would have failed CSE as well

The village comprehensive I attended did not have a sixth-form. Anyone wishing to continue 'post 16' had to travel into town.
The school frowned upon 're-takes', and preferred pupils took an exam they could easily pass.
Therefore very few I'd estimate 10% sat '0's, and everyone else 'CSE's ( I presume this was a ploy to 'maximize the schools pass rate'- although at that time there were no league tables to speak of)

Taking just one exam was fine for the boffins assured an 'O' pass, or those of low ability that knew they couldn't pass an 'O'.
But the system failed those in the centre ground who could easily secure a good grade at CSE, but possibily had the chance to scrape a pass at 'O'.

The chap I mentioned in the earlier thread would easily have passed a CSE one, so instead decided to 'go for it' and opted for the 'O', but sadly his grade was poor and not a pass.

I'm pleased the GCSE system put an end to this anomaly.

Incidentally John, in percentage terms how many of your year group carried on post 16?, I estimate only about 8% of my group went to sixth form.

Quite different to the 40-50 % around here today.

G51 NAV

31st December 2006, 21:06

Not sure Darren, yeah in our day f/e or h/e had a lowish uptake from schools, partly because there were a lot more 'practical' careers you could join or get apprentiships in. Good to see the likes of Graham attempting to get himself a career though, I will say that.

Re 16 plus, no the exams were all taken in what you and I know as 5th year, not sixth form, even though they were called 16 Plus. What happened at my high-school is that the Joint Matriculation Board who did all of our science exams and our 'ologies' didn't offer CSE or O-Level, instead you were offered 16 Plus, which was the forerunner of GCSE to an extent, except it didn't have coursework contributing to your final mark. Everyone got taught basically the same stuff in 4th year, but were split up in 5th year depending on your abilities. At the end you sat the same papers. The marks ran A,B,C,2,3,4,5. If you got one of the top 3 grades you got a certificate saying you'd attained an O-Level qualification. If you got 2-5 you got a cert saying you'd passed at CSE. I thought it was a good system.

Miracle maestro

1st January 2007, 15:06

The 16+ sounds good John :thumbup: , far far better than the system we had.

My comprehensive had a strange system of streaming.
Just before we left primary school we sat a mini 11+ test, on the results of this test we were jumbled up when we arrived at the comprehensive.
This lasted for both the first and second year, it was a nightmare for the teacher as each class of thirty (there were five of those) had all abilities! :giveup:
Those at the bottom gave up attempting to compete with the best, and the best were depressed at the time it took for the rest to keep up :banghead:

On personal performance during these two years we were streamed for the third,- but this time they got things right. :)
All five classes were taught the same subject at the same time- so there was also streaming in subjects, a brilliant idea :)
For if you were a disaster at English but a genius at Physics- it didn't matter -you would be taught with your peers in each subject.
During this third year, we chose the exam syllabus we would take in the fourth and fifth years.
In effect at only 13/14 we had to choose both the subject and the level of exam to be taken over two years later.
Although, in theory it was possible to change the level of exam took later on, few people did as the sylabuses varied...:eek:

Looking back; my school wasn't as dramatic as Grange Hill, but the teaching wasn't a lot better...:giveup:

G51 NAV

1st January 2007, 21:48

Hmm weird to do that in the first two years if you'd already sat 11+. Our school didn't bother sifting by ability til 3rd year either, but we didn't sit 11+

Yeah I thought 16+ was a great idea. Another option at my school in the last two years was to opt out of normal qualifications altogether and complete a TVEI course - was a great idea for those who felt they had more practical skills than studious ones. This was the forerunner to GNVQ and candidates found themselves learning all sorts of practical skills, often away from the school.