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thirda
9th August 2006, 17:25
Hi folks,

I was wondering if someone might be able to give some advice about my partner's J reg. 1.3 Maestro Clubman. We've been having problems recently with the engine failing to start and cutting out at low speeds and gears, coupled, it seems, with overheating. Basically, the symptoms are:

1. When cold or the car's been standing for a while, it seems to start OK.
2. After it's been running for a short while, or it's particularly hot, at low speeds or gears, the engine note changes and the accelerator either provides no power at all, or causes the car to jerk and jump about. When it's in this state, it tends to stall if we stop moving, and often will fail to start again.
3. After a very short time of driving in apparently any conditions, the temperature very quickly rises to around the halfway mark on the dashboard scale.

The starter motor, ignition, coil and battery all seem OK. We've had various opinions from different people. One garage claimed that the throttle had been sticking, and as a result of that, he said the carb needs to be rebuilt. He also found two coolant leaks - one on or near the water pump or thermostat housing, and one from the bottom of the core plug or leaking somewhere around the bottom of the inlet manifold. A roadside recovery bloke pointed out a split in the main vacuum line connector, at the end where it connects to other pipes (not the end plugged into the banjo union).

We've tried taping up the split in the vacuum pipe, and sure enough, doing so nearly always makes the acceleration/starting problems go away briefly, until it splits open again or falls off. We haven't been able to find a replacement pipe or rubber elbows for it at anywhere we've phoned, and the overheating problem's still there.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what we might try next? Is there likely to be anything in the suggestion of a carb rebuild, or is the vacuum pipe weakness most likely to be causing the starting problems? Is the high temperature likely to be a cause or a symptom of something else, and could the overheating be exacerbating pressures on the vacuum pipe? The obvious thing to do about the temperature is to get the coolant leaks fixed, but we're reluctant to spend on that without being sure that the other problems can be sorted too. (Especially after just getting a new exhaust section, new tyres and an oil and filter change!) Finally, does anyone know where we could get hold of a replacement vacuum pipe, particularly the rubber elbows, either from an old Maestro or from another make of car whose spares are a bit easier to find?

Sorry if that all seems a bit tangled, I'm a bit confused about it myself!

Thanks for your time,

Allan

evie
9th August 2006, 17:50
we had similar problems with our h reg. i changed all the vacuum pipes, plugs leads, distributor cap & rotor arm basically a good service and ours is fine now i aslo followed the tuning which is listed on this site (really easy). now im not saying your problems are the same as ours but its worth spending some time and checking all the obvious first before spending money. we gotour vacuum pipes from a dealer in wigston leicestershire their name is Bishop & Bishop 0116 2881601 they are a rover dealer but still have some old spares maybe worth a try. good luck mick

H48HPE
9th August 2006, 18:00
the split pipe is fairly likely to be the cause of your problems, it makes the engine run lean and stops the distributer advancing the ignition on acceleration. lean burning leads to a hotter burn of the fuel and therefore slight overheating.

One of my vac pipes is split at the moment, I've got to find a replacement, last time this happened I went to a scrapyard and found some good pipes as replacements, I've also been to rover for some in the past but i don't know what the situation is with parts from rover any more.

I can't see the carb needing a rebuild, sounds like a rip off to me.

if I were you, I'd replace the vacuum hoses (a must do!), and then give it a service or at least make sure the carb dashpot is topped up with oil.

Andy

Terry
9th August 2006, 18:09
I got my replacment vacuume pipe, complete with the rubber elbows for my Monty from a local motor factors. I just took one of the elbows to the shop and they mached it up with a "universal vacuum pipe kit" off the shelf. RE: your running problem apart from the split vacuum pipe,which will give you no end of running\idleing trouble, have you checked the carb dash pot for oil?

p_282
9th August 2006, 18:33
I think the other posters have nailed it on the vacuum pipe answer (a lot of other rover models probably share the design - maybe try one from a mini?); as far as your temperature is concerned, I was initially worried by the high temp my maestro runs at, but it would appear that the needle rises to halfway very very quickly on these cars. It is worth checking the thermostat on the radiator fan though - mine was faulty and a new one only cost 6 quid and it's a doddle to change. Now when sitting in traffic the needle edges up to the red and you have to learn to hold your nerve at this point, because the fan does kick in and do a good job of cooling things down again.
All the best,
Mark

yan2cv
10th August 2006, 17:55
Mine goes up to halfway pretty quickly (couple of miles) and the fan kicks in as it just passes the halfway point. Never goes hire than a line or two past halfway.

Mine also runs really badly at lower speeds but as one of my vaccuum pipes is unattached (it was blocked with a screw but this made no difference) I think I need to follow the advice here!

Ian