1.3 injection?

[L478AUE]

Would it be possible to fit a fuel injection from the 1.6 hls to the 1.3 A series, or would this cost to much?

[Beaker]

1.6 never had fuel injection :confused: Do you mean 2.0?

[Beaker]

Minis had SPi and MPi on the a-series, maybe worthwhile asking over on some mini forums as well.

[Fast Guy]

Did one of the early 216s have fuel injection (S series engine?) or am I going senile in my old age. That may be a candidate if it exists (where's the embarrassed smiley)
It'd be quite a job transplanting it and then getting the car to run properly tho :horror:

[matthewsemple]

Minis had SPi and MPi on the a-series, maybe worthwhile asking over on some mini forums as well.

The single-point fuel-injection on the mini does not produce much more power and really wouldn't be worth the effort. You could get the same power by tuning the carb, fitting a bigger needle, air filter, etc.

[matthewsemple]

Did one of the early 216s have fuel injection (S series engine?) or am I going senile in my old age. That may be a candidate if it exists (where's the embarrassed smiley)
It'd be quite a job transplanting it and then getting the car to run properly tho :horror:

The Rover 216 Vitesse had an EFi system on the S-Series engine. It produces about 100bhp (same as MG1600 with Weber carbs) but I believe you can't fit it to the Maestro. It is fitted at a funny angle in the 216 and would be too tall in the Maestro.

[L478AUE]

Cool, thanks I may aswell have a go at tuning it, and i'm a noob at car mechanics (only 18) so ur bound to be correct about the 1.6 hls not having and injection system.

I also have a few more questions.

1. Does the famous maplins universal central locking kit fit?
2. was there ever a model with leather seats and black interior?
3. wats with the speedo bieng so inacurate!!!!

PS. sorry if the spelling is bad, I've had a few :p

[matthewsemple]

Cool, thanks I may aswell have a go at tuning it, and i'm a noob at car mechanics (only 18) so ur bound to be correct about the 1.6 hls not having and injection system.

I also have a few more questions.

1. Does the famous maplins universal central locking kit fit?
2. was there ever a model with leather seats and black interior?
3. wats with the speedo bieng so inacurate!!!!

PS. sorry if the spelling is bad, I've had a few :p

1. Pass - but probably
2. No, some Maestro VPs had light grey seats. Montego GSi Exec had dark grey. However Rover 200, 400, 800 seats can be made to fit and black Recaros were fitted to Rover Vitesse.
3. All Maestro/Montego Speedos overread by 10-12%

[G51 NAV]

1. Yes, with a little bit of fiddling
2. Later VPs had leather; don't know about black though
3. They're not generally too bad from my experience (of 1.6 and 2.0 cars); I think my Turbo over-reads by about 5mph @ 70mph, but at low speeds you don't notice. What does yours say? :confused:

EDIT:

Oops sorry Matthew, we must have replied at the same time :)

[L478AUE]

Thanks for ur help, i'm gonna go for some Rover Vitesse seats and try the central locking kit, and as for the speedos, o well nothings perfect.

oh and by the way, nice car

[L478AUE]

1. Yes, with a little bit of fiddling
2. Later VPs had leather; don't know about black though
3. They're not generally too bad from my experience (of 1.6 and 2.0 cars); I think my Turbo over-reads by about 5mph @ 70mph, but at low speeds you don't notice. What does yours say? :confused:

EDIT:

Oops sorry Matthew, we must have replied at the same time :)

Me and my dad think u need to be going about 36 mph to get 30, mind u i have changed the instrumentation to the one with a tacho (still gotta get that working)

[matthewsemple]

Me and my dadthink u need to be going about 36 mph to get 30, mind u i have changed the instrumentation to the one with a tacho (still gotta get that working)

That is not good - they are supposed to overread so you don't get caught speeding - not underead. It means at 60 you might be doing 72 and you'd be in trouble with PC Plod.

Your speedo might have come from a 1.6 or 2.0 car which has a different gear ratio. I put a 1.6HLS in my 1.3 but as it was an HLE with the higher ratio box it was okay because the fourth "E" gear has the same ratio as a 5 speed box.

Has your car got a 4 speed gearbox? If so you may have to modify the cable or go back to your original instruments. The tacho probably needs an extra lead providing power. (Someone else will be able to tell you how to do this!)

[L478AUE]

That is not good - they are supposed to overread so you don't get caught speeding - not underead. It means at 60 you might be doing 72 and you'd be in trouble with PC Plod.

Your speedo might have come from a 1.6 or 2.0 car which has a different gear ratio. I put a 1.6HLS in my 1.3 but as it was an HLE with the higher ratio box it was okay because the fourth "E" gear has the same ratio as a 5 speed box.

Has your car got a 4 speed gearbox? If so you may have to modify the cable or go back to your original instruments. The tacho probably needs an extra lead providing power. (Someone else will be able to tell you how to do this!)

I kinda meant that the speedo reads about 35 to 36 but i recon i'm only doing 29 to 30 mph not the other way round, srry i'm not bieng very clear

[L478AUE]

i think mines capable of 89 to 91 mph tops (with the 5 speed vw box) am i correct?

[Austin-Rover]

You should try driving a Ledbury Maestro, that over reads to an amazingly high standard! With the A Series and 5 speed box i can get an indicated 110mph. Last time i had a GPS system in the car, the highest actual top speed achieved was 94.7mph.

Its something you just have to get used to, i find the over reading is handy for when you are passing speed cameras, absolutly no chance of getting a ticket if you believe the needle when passing one!

:)

[e692wtt]

In my Monty (1.6L Saloon with MG Turbo clocks), an indicated 50mph is actually 47.7mph on my GPS, and indicated 60mph is actually 57.4mph on GPS. It's amazing how you entertain yourself on a 320mile drive going on holiday. :laugh:

I would expect most of 'our' cars to be much the same, and speedometers are legally allowed to over-read by 10% but not to under-read at all.

I think there is an issue with the Ledbury cars' speedometers over-reading by more than 10% though, as we know of more than one like this on these Forums... but as Rich Gelder says, there is no chance of getting clobbered for speeding. :laugh:


Oh, and L478AUE, I've sent you a PM about getting the tachometer working.

[E_T_V]

Firstly welcome to the mad house.

To get the tacho working you'll need to run a wire from the ignitiuon coil to the instrument pack, it is almost randomw as to which cars do and don't have this wire already fitted. That is probably what rich has PM'd you anyway.

The speedo overreading is almost certainly because you changed the dash. (your orignal one will have had 110 as the max speed whilst the new one from a 1.6 or 2.0 will have 130 or maybe even 150 as its maximum speed).

If you really want to tune the engine then all the mini tuning stuff will fit with a bit of modification in some cases.

Yes the maplin central locking kits fit (they are in my van) You have to look carefully to locate them though as if you use the standard central locking motor position they foul on the window mechanism. If you mount them pointing upwards at the bottom of the door they'll fit fine on the fronts. As my van doesn't have rear passenger doors I can't help with these but I'm betting the same applies.

[L478AUE]

Firstly welcome to the mad house.

To get the tacho working you'll need to run a wire from the ignitiuon coil to the instrument pack, it is almost randomw as to which cars do and don't have this wire already fitted. That is probably what rich has PM'd you anyway.

The speedo overreading is almost certainly because you changed the dash. (your orignal one will have had 110 as the max speed whilst the new one from a 1.6 or 2.0 will have 130 or maybe even 150 as its maximum speed).

If you really want to tune the engine then all the mini tuning stuff will fit with a bit of modification in some cases.

Yes the maplin central locking kits fit (they are in my van) You have to look carefully to locate them though as if you use the standard central locking motor position they foul on the window mechanism. If you mount them pointing upwards at the bottom of the door they'll fit fine on the fronts. As my van doesn't have rear passenger doors I can't help with these but I'm betting the same applies.

It's actually only got 120 mph on, this is the same as the old 1, ill post a pic of both tomorow.
and i have gotall of the wiring i need to get the tacho working thx E692

[L478AUE]

srry it atually does have 130 on it

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[MGTurbo]

Injection conversion pretty pointless for a number of reasons.

It wont make the car any faster.
It wont make the engine more tunable, in fact, the SU carb is good for far in excess of what most 1.3's would ever make.
Its fiddly but it is do-able but no point at all in wasting your time.

[L478AUE]

hence why i'm not gonna bother, i may aswell just put the mg stuff on itto make it look better.

[E_T_V]

Was the old speedo a 130mph one too? As standard the 1.3 had a 110mph one I believe. Ours certainly does but it too is over optimistic as it overreads by a fair amount, probably due to the van gearbox it has on it which is very low geared. As an example our 1.3 managed 100mph up a hill "apparently" and was still accelerating.

[matthewsemple]

That speedo comes from a 2.0 litre car (MG MAestro 2.0i) which not only will have different ratios but a different gearbox. If you get a speedo from a 1.3 Mayfair it will have a tachometer and be matched to your car's gearbox (if you have a 5-speed 'box)

[L478AUE]

:censored: :censored: :censored: i've been done then, he told me that it was from a 1.6 hls!!!!

[F690OTF(RIP)]

Was the old speedo a 130mph one too? As standard the 1.3 had a 110mph one I believe.

It appears to depend upon age - our '89 Special had a 110mph one, but our '93 Clubman has a 130mph one. We have changed the instrument panel for one with a tacho., but because the donor Monty had the same style of instruments, we were able to chop and change the segments without it looking silly, so we kept the speedo. which had originally been in the Maestro, thus removing the need to fiddle with the odometer.

It seems slightly odd to me that there should need to be a difference in the instrument panel depending upon the engine size. Now, I realise that there is a difference in some cases because of the differing top speeds, but from what I've seen, all the models in the Clubman era, as it were, had the same range on the speedo. I don't really have any basis for this theory (although I should be able to test it...), but it just seems likely that things would be made so that the instrument panel didn't have to be car dependent (although, again, in the early years it was, because the VdPs and MGs had digi-dashes, and then later on the MGs had red lines in the background (as above) where the other models had yellow. The other problem with this theory is that Austin-Rover had no control over the speedo. drive characteristics from the gearbox(es), as they were manufactured by VW or Honda. I've done quite a good job of destroying my own theory there. I still wonder, though...

[skipweasel]

a tacho (still gotta get that working
Last time I had a Maestro tacho not working it was the thick-film circuit inside had vibrated itself out of its soldered connections. Simple if slightly fiddly fix with a smouldering iron.
My Monty's speedo ain't too bad. Checked it against the kilometer posts on a motorway at a steady indicated 120kph and it was doing about 115kph.

[e692wtt]

My Monty's speedo is an MG Turbo 150mph one with red lines on the instrument face, and seems to be fairly accurate (60mph indicated = 57.4mph on GPS...)

There's a rating called TPM or Turns Per Minute, that is how a speedometer is calibrated. I seem to recall the TPM on a 1.6L Montego (14" wheels) is 1610 (I would expect it to be the same on a 2.0 Montego too, as also got 14" wheels and 185/65 tyres). I think it refers to the number of revolutions the speedo head needs to register 1 mile on its odometer, but could be wrong... the TPM rating should be on the speedo head, but I've not seen it on later speedos. :banghead:

To recalibrate a speedo, this TPM rating is altered. For a 1.3 with 13" wheels I think the TPM would need to be raised to reduce the reading on the speedo and the mileage clocked on the odometer... but also I think the gearbox final drive has a part to play... and this is why the Ledbury cars' speedos read so high as the cars have Van gearboxes which are lower-geared than the 1.3 Cars... And also why the speedo we just fitted in Rich Gelder's Ledbury, despite being from a Montego 2.0SLX, reads just as high (12% optimistic, I seem to recall) as the original speedo which originally came from a 1.3 Maestro with 13" wheels. Confusing? definitely... :)

[L478AUE]

man, i'm startin to feel as if i mite have to put my old speedo back in :(