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Rich
7th September 2004, 09:48
I have done what has been THE hardest job to do on a Maestro in all the time I have owned them, even the PAS rack was a dream job in comparison to this!

Due to the excessive smoke, I decided the Injectors on the van needed replacing, and managed to pick up a set on ebay. On arrival I realised that they were in fact the later 2 stage type, so all my supply and leak off pipework was no good, as was the pedastals and bolt arrangements for holding them in.

I scoured the IOW for a TD Maestro or Monty for the pipework. No chance! So I went down to Rover, and gave them the part numbers, expecting each pipe to be about £20. For the leak off pipework it was £85, for each pipe from the pump to the injector it was £60!! :horror: So I told them where to stuff that!

So another trip to Richard Noon carbreakers in Salisbury it was (thanks to Ricky again for telling me about that one), where for £8 (and the £40 for the car ferry) I picked up all the required parts from a TD Clubman, not even the price of one pipe from Rover.

I then returned home to replace the injectors. It took ALL DAY SATURDAY to get the rotten things out, they were stuck solid, I even went down to Rover to ask if there was a special tool to remove them and was told "we dont work on Maestros any more". It was amazing, the ones on the TD in the scrapyard fell out in my hand almost, these were solid, and wouldnt budge.

Got them out in the end after much swearing, much duck oil, a large spanner, and a larger hammer. The new ones went straight in, new pipework on, everything clamped down, fuel system blead. She started, but this is where I should have read the Haynes manual, "use new seat washers" this is why number 4 injector was having the contents of the cylinder chucked out around the injector. So after much searching I managed to find a new washer, which has done the job. Lurvley! New injectors, sweet running, much quieter sounding and not so much smoke!!

Took her out for a test drive, everything was fine. Until I went out again, and she wouldn't start, I kept cranking and eventually she got going. Air still in the fuel system, but very sluggish to pull away, got to the end of the road, and she cut out, got her started again, and she was fine! All the air must be out now I thought.

Went to see a friend on the other side of the island, and she was faultless, when I left there it wouldnt start again, and cut out again, and wouldn't start, and now I was getting worried :worried: . Had a look under the bonnet to find fuel ****ing out of the flexable pipe wich goes to the injector pump!! :rage: Why do these things happen when you have just worked on it? I never even touched that pipe!! It was all a conspiracy on the cars part to make me think I has buggerd it all up i'm sure!:banghead:

Luckaly I had the tools to cut the end off where it had split and put it back on, since then its been great!!

So the reason for the thread? Firstly I got to moan about it all, and more importantly, 2 stage injectors will fit, and work, but you will need the associated pipework and pedastal clamps. Job done! :cool:

Rich

Beaker
7th September 2004, 09:59
Due to the excessive smoke, I decided the Injectors on the van needed replacing, and managed to pick up a set on ebay.

Yup they were two stage injectors on ebay (correct for our TD), as we were bidding on the same set from ebay as our van needs them too. The price rose too steeply for us tho'

Does your van sound any quieter now with the two stage injectors?

Rich
7th September 2004, 10:13
I paid £100 for the set, which was ok as far as I was concerned, it was going to cost £25 + VAT for each injector to be re-conditioned by Lucas, and they would have to be sent away to do it, and was going to take about 3-4 days by the time I would get them back. So what I pad was cheaper than getting the originals reconditioned.

Is it quiter? Yes, but its still noisy if you see what I mean, compared to a modern diesel, but it is quieter than before, and a bit quicker/more responsive too.

There is another set of those injectors on ebay now, and a set of single stage ones i think, so keep your eye on them, they may well be cheaper this time round!?

Rich

Beaker
7th September 2004, 10:29
Yup already watching the two stage ones ;)

E_T_V
7th September 2004, 10:32
One rather dodgy method for freeing the injectors is to remove the clamps pipes etc, place a heavy cloth/sheet over them and crank the engine. Of course this might mean that your injector ends up in the next county but at least they'll come out!

I'll not recommend this method of course as it is inherently dangerous but "apparently" it works. ;)

Ricky
7th September 2004, 18:51
Rich, they didn't happen to have any 1.3's up there did they? I need a few bits of vacuum setup as mine seem to have all disintegrated! You'll have to let me know next time you go up there, could make a day of it! :laugh:
Mind you, Silverlake came up trumps for me yesterday, I needed an indicator stalk and they had one on the shelf for £6.50+vat, which wasn't too bad.....!

Ricky.

Rich
7th September 2004, 22:52
Cranking the engine, no chance! I tried that one, a few times and it didnt even loosen them, it just sprayed diesel all over the engine bay and drive! These were stuck! In the the end it was a spanner, hammer and duck oil, and on the last one, it was a large adjustable to get the leverage when I put all my weight on it to turn it, and then resorted to putting the large extension bar from the socket set through the hole in the end of the spanner to force it round. Once they were turning freely, a pair of mole grips to pull them, and a screw driver through the mole grips to turn them did it!

Ricky, if/when I need to go again, I will let you know, it was a bit on the spur of the moment this time. They didn't have any 1.3's that I saw, then again I didnt ask so there may have been somthing. Best to ring up, there by far the most helpful yard I have ever encountered when it comes to ringing up and asking if they have a part or car.

Was there a blue Montego 1.6 Clubman in Silverlake still, with a blue 1.3 Maestro Special on top? If so, there are brand new in Rover boxes, column stalks in its boot, as well as lights and other goodies. £6.50 isn't that bad I suppose, for Silverlake, I paid £40 for a PAS rack, from an MG 2.0, but I got them to remove it. Just as well really, as it took the bloke 2 hours to get it off. I think Jonathan did well there too from the same car?


Rich

Ricky
8th September 2004, 23:09
I didn't actually get a chance to go to Silverlake itself, I was directed to their new parts shop in Southampton, near the Royal South Hants hospital (in the choice area of town :worried: :laugh: ), and they had it on the shelf there, it's not new though but it seems to do the job better than the stalk that was on there! Might have to nip down to Silverlake itself then if they have a 1.3 special in, that should have the required vacuum pipes in it (hopefully!)
If you want to drop me a line next time you go up to Richard Noon's, then yeah, go ahead, just seems a shame because you must pass within 50 yards of my house on the way there! That is, of course, if you go from Southampton to Salisbury on the A36 then across on the A30 (?) to Lopcombe Corner? I live just by the A36 at West Wellow, right by the bit where there is the brow of the hill and the road kinks down to the left afterwards. always a good spot for accidents, first bend in the road for a good three miles and its a nasty one!

Ricky.

JMW
12th September 2004, 17:47
I've just joined the forum, having found this thread when looking online for advice on Maestro diesel injectors. I'm taking the head off my 1994 turbo diesel to replace the head gasket, and got the point on Friday afternoon where the Haynes manual recommends taking out the injectors and glow plugs to prevent the risk of damage. Took the clamp off number 1 cylinder (starboard side of engine), and found it wouldn't budge, as mentioned above in this thread. I have 2 stage injectors, and when my emissions failed the test last year, the little garage in Farnborough I usually use at MOT time found that the local Lucas centre could supply an injector insert which is much cheaper than a new injector. My original injectors had done 140,000 miles, and as I expect at least another 120,000 miles from the new inserts, I don't want to damage them. Haynes suggests if they don't just come out in your hand, use a puller or a slide hammer with an adaptor, neither of which I have. I tried Camberley Auto Factors on Saturday morning, with no luck (they could get me a slide hammer for Tuesday, but could not confirm if the kit with it included the necessary adaptor for stuck injectors. I decided to remove the glow plugs and just leave the injectors in place and hope not to touch them. Is that wise? If not, is it possible to twist them with a spanner without damaging them? Does temperature have any effect (would it be worth trying on a frosty morning, or applying a blowlamp?). I got stuck anyway trying to get the exhaust elbow unbolted from the exhaust adaptor, and have deferred it while I think of a way round that, other than hiring a compressor and impact wrench! (by the way, is it possible to leave the turbo in situ and just unbolt it from the exhaust manifold. The Haynes manual seems to require the head to be removed complete with the inlet and exhaust manifolds and turbo unit (though it does not mention the turbo anywhere in the last stages of removing the cylinder head). Any help/advice would be very welcome. I love the car, and would like to keep it going a few year syet. I can't think of anything else I could commute to work in at 60 miles/gallon (well usually 56 in winter) and comfortably pull my glider trailer at 60 mph.

Ed
16th September 2004, 13:45
The Haynes manual seems to require the head to be removed complete with the inlet and exhaust manifolds and turbo unit (though it does not mention the turbo anywhere in the last stages of removing the cylinder head). Any help/advice would be very welcome. I love the car, and would like to keep it going a few year syet. I can't think of anything else I could commute to work in at 60 miles/gallon (well usually 56 in winter) and comfortably pull my glider trailer at 60 mph.

I didn't do my cylinder head as a friend did it for me but i know he didn't remove the inlet and exhaust manifold or the Turbo. I'm sure its far easier to remove the head with those items still in place.

dutch-van-driver
16th September 2004, 14:03
Hi all,

I've no turbo but I kept the exhaust manifold and pipe complete (extremely well rusted together) and just unbolted everything that was fitted on the cylinder-head. Removing the head was no problem.

BTW: I twisted the injectors to get them loose but I'm not sure if they where as stubern as the ones described here.

Marc

Beaker
18th September 2004, 17:40
Yup already watching the two stage ones ;)

That is all we did do :rage: :giveup: We forgot to bid, and by the time we remembered it was 3mins too late. Oh well someone got a bargain at £60 for 4

dutch-van-driver
19th September 2004, 09:06
Hi Skatiechik,

Just spotted (another?) set:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27376&item=2489330732&rd=1

Marc

Beaker
19th September 2004, 18:29
Thanks, I have bid on them now, so will be watching them. Hopefully won't forget about them this time. The person who won the last set has just outbid me for them though. Greedy bugger what do they want two sets for :banghead: