In or out of the EU?

[H48HPE]

What are peoples oppinions on this?

I personally want out. the EU is a load of crap

[Austin-Rover]

Uh-oh - politics on the forum.....

[D87 SMW]

Why be included with the 'frogs and the 'crouts? I hope to god we don't join the Euro (currency) too!!! :eek:

[H48HPE]

some good general conversation is what this forum needs, of late its become reet borin

Andy

[Beaker]

Originally posted by F170 GGT
Why be included with the 'frogs and the 'crouts? I hope to god we don't join the Euro (currency) too!!! :eek:

No need to be Xenophobic Steve, we do have foreign members as well. Some well based arguments, not xenophobic comments is what's needed.

I come from Cornwall where the EU hasn't done it any favours. One upon a time fishing was a large industry in Cornwall. Due to the common fisheries policy, the spanish are now allowed to fish waters that once upon a time Cornish people would have fished if they were now not prohibited.

But as with all arguments there are Pro's and Con's. Cornwall now has Area Status 1 which now means european money is being flooded into the area for regeneration.

Similiar to the British Pound, there are Pro's and Con's, personally I don't think we should join the single currency as currently the Bank of England can adjust interest rates depending on our economy, if we joined, this right would be taken away. Look at Ireland for an example of how the single currency can affect an economy.

[Austin-Rover]

I dont have any problems with it. I love visiting Mainland Europe, and would welcome the Euro here. It would make going on holiday cheaper.

I'm proud to be a European, and my Maestro says the same, sporting a set of European numberplates.

:)

[tony]

i think i will abstain on this one

[D87 SMW]

Originally posted by Skatiechik
No need to be Xenophobic Steve, we do have foreign members as well. Some well based arguments, not xenophobic comments is what's needed.

Who helped us in the second Gulf War? France? Germany? Spain...?

No offence directed at our members from these countries though... ;)

[Austin-Rover]

Originally posted by F170 GGT
Who helped us in the second Gulf War? France? Germany? Spain...?



Spain, actually....

[H48HPE]

I strongly agree with skatiechiks comments regarding the single european currency, its something I personally believe we are best off away from, curently the economy can be controlled with our best interests in mind, if we were being controlled from a central europe Im afraid we would recieve an average, meaning that no country would suffer more than another, in my mind that is a rubish situation. We elect a government to control the country for OUR own good, if they cant do that it is a failing system. Without proper control over the economy and country the UK government is likly to become no more than a local council in the grand scheme of things. As skatiechik pointed out fisheries in cornwall (and many other places i.e. Hull) has suffered because the EU decided that it wasn't right we should be catching fish, instead opting to help spain out; our government was powerles to prevent this happening. another example is The Rover group, when it was going to be bought and asset stripped by Alchemy partners there was talk of a rescue plan involving money from the government. Naturally the boffins in europe decided that this wasnt on, (absolutly nothing to do with helping out car manufacturers in mainland europe eliminate more competition of couse:banghead:).

as for european money being spent on the country I find it hard to justify giving the EU money to have them decide what to do with it and possibly give us some back. maybe it would be better if our elected government decided what that money went on and how much of it to dish out.

Andy

[Beaker]

Originally posted by H48HPE
What are peoples oppinions on this?

I personally want out. the EU is a load of crap

If you don't mind me asking, I was just wondering why you feel like this and reasons why the United Kingdom would be a better place without the EU.

It is good that someone your age (hope you don't mind me refering to that) has posted on a political subject, as I fear too many of us in our early twenties suffer from political apathy and are fixed on the idea that whoever we vote for things will never change.

[Beaker]

Oops was writing my post at the same time as you Andy. Doh!

Completely ignore my previous post then now :)

[H48HPE]

I love politics (although i dont probably know as much as I should)

Im of the oppinion that there should be a fine for not placing a vote at the general ellection, (say £10) People have fought for the right for EVERYONE to have a vote and people should be be encouraged to use it. Some people of a certain political persuasion may say they dont agree with voting, in that case they should turn up and spoil their ballot paper.

Someone I respect once asked me why I had wasted a vote on someone that had no chance of winning (an independant the way the labour party should be). I was shocked at this person for questioning this although I suspect he was trying to provoke a debate. the person didnt have a realistic chance at all but I belived in what he stood for and wanted my vote read out in his favour. He might have managed a few hundred votes but it was a shout out at the time of reconing that there were people out there who did not agree with what the winning candidate was standing for.

Unfortunatly I have no time in polotics for those that back someone soley because they will win. its rather pathetic and will prevent a candidate they belive in clawing their way up a bit.

For those that dont vote, when I hear them saying how crap the government is and how this is rubish and that is rubish and how passing that laws wrong, etc, etc it winds me up because I think "well you didnt have your say when you had chance to, so shut up moaning and live with it".

Andy

[Jonathan]

I'm not sure that pulling out entirely would be a great idea at the moment because there are, in theory at least, some benefits to the EU. There is the grave danger though that we follow the crowd and agree to things blindly and that wouldn't be good!

The Europen Constitution needs a bit of a rethink the way I see it because it's removing far too much power from individual member states. A strong, healthy partnership between countries of the EU is what's needed, rather than everything (including financial policy) being decided by one central parliament. Can you imagine it?

Anyway, that's more than enough being serious for one day :D

[J199 HHG]

Being in the EU is a good thing as far a collective bargaining power against the imperialistic US is a good thing.

BUT, this can be achieved from a collection of member states, not a superstate.

Did Ted Heath promise that the EEC was just a trading bloc? Was he right? I think he lied.

The EU is determined to make a superstate, and that is just disastrous. The English and Welsh can't even live together happily, and we are on the same small island, mostly speaking the same language. So I fail to see how we can be united with the Italians, Greek etc. Will never work.

We should model ourselves on the Swiss. They are in the EEA, not the EU.

Chris.

[talkingcars]

Overall the current EU level is good but I personally do not wish to see more power in Brussels and less in London.

I like being european, the lack of boarder control is great, I have made 8 transeuropean trips in the last 3 years both for work, pleasure including 3 to rescue my patner, her daughter and then her son. The strictest controls being at Dover.

I also like the euro but in europe, not england.

The Spanish priminister who was involved in the Gulf war was de-elected a couple of weeks ago - will the same happen to Heir Blair (or is he a Bush Babe)?

[H48HPE]

i think the end for Tony Blair is well on its way. to me he seems more interested in doing his own thing than what the people of this country want. I would like to see the real labour party return.

of late there has been a catalogue of events that have shown Blairs lead of the party to be crumbling, the vote on tuition fees probably one of the best examples.